THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! They are indocrinating our kids to be little drones who are all the same, and not critical thinkers, they are just smart enough to pull the levers and push the buttons, but not smart enough to realize they are being controlled by a certain .001% who go to better schools and ARE critical thinkers and controlling the masses. We are now at the beginning of a VERY VERY slippery slope in which we end up in the “Brave New World” Aldous Huxley wrote about in 1932, and George Orwell wrote about in “1984”—- YOU SHOULD START TO GIVE A SHIT NOW BEFORE WE ARE SLIDING DOWN THAT SLOPE….
The heart rate monitors are fine, not only to keep the kids from loafing but also to keep them from overdoing it. But the monitor results should be private. Let the child see how he or she is doing on his or her own monitor, and educate them as to the ideal heart rates. Don’t share it with the class. Gym class was the #1 place I got bullied in school. Kids make fun of everything. These kids might end up pushing each other to go higher and higher until someone passes out or worse. If the teacher wants the numbers to keep track and give individual feedback fine, but I don’t think it should be the whole grade. If it’s a choice between monitors with public results or no monitors, then I would vote no monitors. But assuming the results can be kept private, then I would vote for monitors. While I agree that children shouldn’t be tracked 24/7, I think it’s a good idea just for gym class, to improve safety and effectiveness of their exercise programs.
I would like to bring up a point that I haven’t seen addressed yet. This is a way to bring accountability in PE classes not only for the students but for the teachers as well . It was discussed on the show that the only way students get their grades in gym is by the teachers assessment. There hasn’t really been a way to monitor participation with PE other than the word of the teacher versus the word of the student. With other classes you have homework, quizzes, daily worksheets, etc. All ways to not only hold students accountable for their work, but also the teachers for having a fair standard of grading that work. We know from past experiences and stories that teachers are human and as such can have a bias that makes them grade work unfairly. This is simply a way to have the same accountability for PE that we already have for other classes in school systems on both the part of the students and the teachers.
First of all, I was that kid sitting on the sidelines whenever possible because I didn’t like exercise, was shy, etc. But on the other hand I now am a big proponent of exercise, and I work out almost daily.
– privacy concerns – it is a heart rate. It is not your DNA, it is a number completely lacking detail, only useful when compared to a baseline.
– concerns about kids’ feelings – heart rate is actually a better, fairer way of comparing dissimilar kids’ level of exercise. When I was a kid, you could have an athlete running up and down the court and his or her heart rate would match mine jogging. That’s because I was out of shape.
Monitoring heart rate (in addition to making sure the kids aren’t cheating) is a way to make sure we aren’t giving kids with different fitness levels the same level of exercise, but rather equally challenging levels of exercise suited to their level of fitness.
A heart rate monitor is the first thing I bought when i decided to get fit.
(Shoes first but whatever).
It helps SO much because I was always training at 190 bpm which is to high, 150 bpm is much better to get some basic fitness.
If something doesn’t stop me, I’ll run until I drop, and dropping doesn’t help.
Drop mentally and physically.
“Can I only run this far.”
“Holly shit I feel dizzy, and I hardly did anything.”
*Feeling lightheaded, white before my eyes, close to fainting.*
When you are a pro, you know how fast you should go and how far you can push yourself. To start out you should buy yourself a heart rate monitor.
Also teachers would always say “run faster” to the slow kids, when you could clearly see the slow kids were giving it their all.
So seeing how much someone is actually doing is not a bad thing in my opinion.
This is most crazy thing I ever heard.
Why we don’t sent them to the Army!!!! They will be fit for sure. Lol
Leave kids to play ball dude.
We should install chip on there brain so they can think better and call against Straping them up.
No Monitoring Kids Please.
Again, guys, they’re not going to be wired all day- just for class. Again, my workplace did a challenge where we all wore fitbits (if you are not familiar, they are rapidly gaining popularity, wrist straps) to track how many steps we walked and if we chose, could track our sleep and calories. It was a lot of fun to wear, because you could challenge yourself and make it a personal goal to walk more, or compete against friends to see who could walk the most. It had a lot of personal reward to it, but again, it was voluntary. I guess the students should have to try it to see if they like it and continue from there. But I personally had a lot of fun using that thing. I now walk more because of it even when I don’t use it. Ana is right- things that are introduced as important early on will affect your decisions like diet and exercise later in life.
I’d definitely say no for it being mandatory, even though there’s obesity problem in the US. Forcing people to do this is not a good way to solve this problem and I think it could easily end up with opposite effect: Create aversion to exercise in the people, since they associate it with negative feeling of being pushed to do something (much like you often create aversion to mathematics by forcing them to be a human calculators in schools).
What you should do is educate people about health, obesity and the options to solve that and make them actually care about their health enough so they’ll exercise on their own and keep exercising even after they’re out of the school. Give people opportunities, tools and information they need to make a decision about this, don’t decide for them.
Another issue is grading based on this, or grading in P.E. in general (actually I have a problem with grading in education in general, but that’s a whole other topic). People are different and have different priorities. If someone decides to put more of his time into intellectual pursuits, why should they be penalized by not being able to perform certain exercises like athletes?
I got experience with this myself. I got really good grades in classes, but I wasn’t good at P.E. I’m not fat at all (I’m actually from Europe, quite few kids are obese around here, so that’s not a problem), I just wasn’t able to perform the exercises as well as others, which resulted in worse grade.
I’ve been lucky though and had good P.E. teachers who understood this and I didn’t care much about grades anyway, but not everyone is in such good situation and bad grades from P.E. could have consequences for their pursuits.
I am going to say yes they should wear the heart monitors because the US needs to sort out the obesity in your schools and the people who say that the kids getting monitor that the results will be sold to companies for profit is stupid the information that they get shouldn’t be put up on a screen but kept privately among the teacher,principal, parents and the student. If this becomes a big thing in schools then it will the US as a country greatly.
There’s a reason why doctors cannot submit your medical records to third parties. A stranger tracking your child’s heart beats per minute is an invasion of privacy, and should be illegal if parents do not consent. Anna and Jayar you imagine if we started recording ALL children’s heart beats how this information can leak and cause international concern. This information can be sold to third parties at significant amounts that can possibly misuse this information.
sell that info to who? the national health center?
furthermore, what stranger? it’s literally your gym coach monitoring your heart rate
and invasion of what privacy? doing something everyone already can see you doing, what’s next? covering your mouth with a veil because you’re exhaling too much carbon dioxide and no one should see how much but you?
you know what information a doctor can’t give out? your social, your health condition, prescriptions you take and so on
no one cares about little timmy’s heart going up at exactly 3 0’clock every tuesday except for the gym teacher who’s keeping an eye on it
do you even know how easy it is to check someones heart rate, it is literally just holding their wrist for a few seconds, not metaphorically, literally holding their wrist, putting two fingers on the bottom of the wrist and counting how many heartbeats in either 6 or 10 seconds depending which method you’re doing, this was taught back in middle school to students in my school
You are ridiculous. I’m well versed in HIPAA. Showing heart rates are hardly the same as showing what medications you take or what your medical diagnoses have been in the past.
I’m split on this one, but ill say no. I actually love this idea for older kids and young athletes. You hear all the time about athletes and students at sports practice suddenly dying of an unknown heart problem. Maybe these monitors could be used to catch something before its to late, I’m not a heart surgeon, so maybe it wouldn’t matter, but its an idea anyway. As to kids wearing them in gym, I think it may cause some to over do it, whether they are trying to be as good as everyone else, or if the teacher is pushing to hard. Plus it could bring about bullying, if physically weaker kids had lower heart rates then the fitter students. So in concept i believe it a wonderful idea, but something more inclined for older students and athletes as more of a safety precaution, rather then a competitive motif.
As a person who is not overweight in any way, but at the same time is high on muscle mass, I have to give my vote to No, we shouldn’t be monitoring them and using that information to dictate their workout schedule.
As a person who took the minimum requirement PE courses in my area, and did so only because I had to, I may be biased, but please, hear me out.
There are many people growing up around the world now, as we become more technologically advanced who are no longer becoming as physically for as those of previous generations. Some people may think that we are just getting more lazy, but another reality is that we are developing the technology that can so some of our more physically exerting tasks more efficiently and/or better than us. There is simply no need for as many people to become physically fit, and on the contrary, we now need less people becoming physically fit, and make people focusing on learning how to program and control the machines/technology that we rely on in our everyday lives.
Additionally, in my country, Canada’s, lovely neighbour, the US, as you live in ‘kind of’ a democracy, you, and your children have more free will than many other countries residence. And as such, your children have the right to goose wether they want to be the dumb jocks who hang out with the dumb cheerleaders (generalizing), or if they want to be the ‘nerds’ who are the brains of your country and who really run it.
Again, this vote is cast against ‘strapping kids in at all times’! :)
I feel like this has an inherent bias towards the kids who excel at gym and those who genuinely don’t have the skills to perform on the same level. For example, if a kid doesn’t know how to play basketball, then they probably wouldn’t be as actively involved as someone who is more adept, possibly because they don’t know what to do.
Monitoring heart rate would probably be more useful in team sports when all participants have similar skills, such as a track team or a basketball team but not in a generic gym class.
I think you’re missing the point. This isn’t about competition, it’s not even about benefiting one type of kid over another, it’s to gauge that they’re working out at an appropriate level. Let me explain…
A ‘work out’ is a vague term and people make it out to mean a number of different things. Some people call Yoga working out. Others call Weight Lifting working out. Some call Running working out. Yeah, they’re all types of workout, but only the third one will actually help you lose weight.
Why?
Because you need to elevate your heart rate to above 60% of your maximum heart rate in order to burn fat. Yoga doesn’t do that. Nor does lifting weights. Cardio does that: running, cycling, jogging, swimming, burpees, aerobics, spinning, fooball (soccer)—anything that elevates your heart rate above that 60% and keeps it there for 20 minutes a day, minimum, is good cardio.
So why give kids heart rate monitors? Just to make sure they’re working out at the appropriate heart rate for a minimum of 20 minutes. That’s it. There’s no invasiveness, there’s no collecting evidence, no nothing like that. Monitoring the kids heart rates allows the PE teacher to know that they’re each doing the minimum needed to stay healthy. And the best thing is, it’s no competition because everyone’s 60% HR is different depending on their age. And the amount of calories they burn depends on height, weight, age, v02 max, and average heart rate during the workout.
Cardio helps you lose fat, improves your mood by releasing endorphins, lowers mental fatigue, gives you energy afterwards, reduces your risk of heart disease, blood pressure, diabetes and increases your lifespan. Best of all, if you start early like these kids, not only do you promote a healthier habit, but you also keep them healthier for much longer.
So yes, yes please give them heart rate monitors. I’ve used one for the past three years and that, along with exercising, and learning about nutrition, calories in dietery habits, helped me lose a lot of weight. I was 228 lbs, now I’m 140 lbs.
In a moment where obesity is an epidemic, what could be more necessary? If it’s a disease, how’s this any different than a flu shot or a thermometer?
Kids now are more tech savy at 6 than I was at 16 (I’m 26 lol). With the additions to smart watches and fit bands and their rapid advancements in technologies this isn’t a big leap soon all kids will have something that will have the ability to monitor heart rate and more…. at lease we can get some good out of it. Im not for tracking kids and all that but the health issue is real and we have to get them into the healthy active lifestyle early. Being a fitness nut I guess I do have my bias lol.
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THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! They are indocrinating our kids to be little drones who are all the same, and not critical thinkers, they are just smart enough to pull the levers and push the buttons, but not smart enough to realize they are being controlled by a certain .001% who go to better schools and ARE critical thinkers and controlling the masses. We are now at the beginning of a VERY VERY slippery slope in which we end up in the “Brave New World” Aldous Huxley wrote about in 1932, and George Orwell wrote about in “1984”—- YOU SHOULD START TO GIVE A SHIT NOW BEFORE WE ARE SLIDING DOWN THAT SLOPE….
The heart rate monitors are fine, not only to keep the kids from loafing but also to keep them from overdoing it. But the monitor results should be private. Let the child see how he or she is doing on his or her own monitor, and educate them as to the ideal heart rates. Don’t share it with the class. Gym class was the #1 place I got bullied in school. Kids make fun of everything. These kids might end up pushing each other to go higher and higher until someone passes out or worse. If the teacher wants the numbers to keep track and give individual feedback fine, but I don’t think it should be the whole grade. If it’s a choice between monitors with public results or no monitors, then I would vote no monitors. But assuming the results can be kept private, then I would vote for monitors. While I agree that children shouldn’t be tracked 24/7, I think it’s a good idea just for gym class, to improve safety and effectiveness of their exercise programs.
I would like to bring up a point that I haven’t seen addressed yet. This is a way to bring accountability in PE classes not only for the students but for the teachers as well . It was discussed on the show that the only way students get their grades in gym is by the teachers assessment. There hasn’t really been a way to monitor participation with PE other than the word of the teacher versus the word of the student. With other classes you have homework, quizzes, daily worksheets, etc. All ways to not only hold students accountable for their work, but also the teachers for having a fair standard of grading that work. We know from past experiences and stories that teachers are human and as such can have a bias that makes them grade work unfairly. This is simply a way to have the same accountability for PE that we already have for other classes in school systems on both the part of the students and the teachers.
First of all, I was that kid sitting on the sidelines whenever possible because I didn’t like exercise, was shy, etc. But on the other hand I now am a big proponent of exercise, and I work out almost daily.
– privacy concerns – it is a heart rate. It is not your DNA, it is a number completely lacking detail, only useful when compared to a baseline.
– concerns about kids’ feelings – heart rate is actually a better, fairer way of comparing dissimilar kids’ level of exercise. When I was a kid, you could have an athlete running up and down the court and his or her heart rate would match mine jogging. That’s because I was out of shape.
Monitoring heart rate (in addition to making sure the kids aren’t cheating) is a way to make sure we aren’t giving kids with different fitness levels the same level of exercise, but rather equally challenging levels of exercise suited to their level of fitness.
A heart rate monitor is the first thing I bought when i decided to get fit.
(Shoes first but whatever).
It helps SO much because I was always training at 190 bpm which is to high, 150 bpm is much better to get some basic fitness.
If something doesn’t stop me, I’ll run until I drop, and dropping doesn’t help.
Drop mentally and physically.
“Can I only run this far.”
“Holly shit I feel dizzy, and I hardly did anything.”
*Feeling lightheaded, white before my eyes, close to fainting.*
When you are a pro, you know how fast you should go and how far you can push yourself. To start out you should buy yourself a heart rate monitor.
Also teachers would always say “run faster” to the slow kids, when you could clearly see the slow kids were giving it their all.
So seeing how much someone is actually doing is not a bad thing in my opinion.
You let them have this and eventually they will take the next step guaranteed
This is most crazy thing I ever heard.
Why we don’t sent them to the Army!!!! They will be fit for sure. Lol
Leave kids to play ball dude.
We should install chip on there brain so they can think better and call against Straping them up.
No Monitoring Kids Please.
Again, guys, they’re not going to be wired all day- just for class. Again, my workplace did a challenge where we all wore fitbits (if you are not familiar, they are rapidly gaining popularity, wrist straps) to track how many steps we walked and if we chose, could track our sleep and calories. It was a lot of fun to wear, because you could challenge yourself and make it a personal goal to walk more, or compete against friends to see who could walk the most. It had a lot of personal reward to it, but again, it was voluntary. I guess the students should have to try it to see if they like it and continue from there. But I personally had a lot of fun using that thing. I now walk more because of it even when I don’t use it. Ana is right- things that are introduced as important early on will affect your decisions like diet and exercise later in life.
As if gym class wasn’t humiliating enough for some of us. Ugh!
I’d definitely say no for it being mandatory, even though there’s obesity problem in the US. Forcing people to do this is not a good way to solve this problem and I think it could easily end up with opposite effect: Create aversion to exercise in the people, since they associate it with negative feeling of being pushed to do something (much like you often create aversion to mathematics by forcing them to be a human calculators in schools).
What you should do is educate people about health, obesity and the options to solve that and make them actually care about their health enough so they’ll exercise on their own and keep exercising even after they’re out of the school. Give people opportunities, tools and information they need to make a decision about this, don’t decide for them.
Another issue is grading based on this, or grading in P.E. in general (actually I have a problem with grading in education in general, but that’s a whole other topic). People are different and have different priorities. If someone decides to put more of his time into intellectual pursuits, why should they be penalized by not being able to perform certain exercises like athletes?
I got experience with this myself. I got really good grades in classes, but I wasn’t good at P.E. I’m not fat at all (I’m actually from Europe, quite few kids are obese around here, so that’s not a problem), I just wasn’t able to perform the exercises as well as others, which resulted in worse grade.
I’ve been lucky though and had good P.E. teachers who understood this and I didn’t care much about grades anyway, but not everyone is in such good situation and bad grades from P.E. could have consequences for their pursuits.
I am going to say yes they should wear the heart monitors because the US needs to sort out the obesity in your schools and the people who say that the kids getting monitor that the results will be sold to companies for profit is stupid the information that they get shouldn’t be put up on a screen but kept privately among the teacher,principal, parents and the student. If this becomes a big thing in schools then it will the US as a country greatly.
There’s a reason why doctors cannot submit your medical records to third parties. A stranger tracking your child’s heart beats per minute is an invasion of privacy, and should be illegal if parents do not consent. Anna and Jayar you imagine if we started recording ALL children’s heart beats how this information can leak and cause international concern. This information can be sold to third parties at significant amounts that can possibly misuse this information.
Your guy’s heart are misplaced.
just wondering….ARE YOU INSANE?
sell that info to who? the national health center?
furthermore, what stranger? it’s literally your gym coach monitoring your heart rate
and invasion of what privacy? doing something everyone already can see you doing, what’s next? covering your mouth with a veil because you’re exhaling too much carbon dioxide and no one should see how much but you?
you know what information a doctor can’t give out? your social, your health condition, prescriptions you take and so on
no one cares about little timmy’s heart going up at exactly 3 0’clock every tuesday except for the gym teacher who’s keeping an eye on it
do you even know how easy it is to check someones heart rate, it is literally just holding their wrist for a few seconds, not metaphorically, literally holding their wrist, putting two fingers on the bottom of the wrist and counting how many heartbeats in either 6 or 10 seconds depending which method you’re doing, this was taught back in middle school to students in my school
You are ridiculous. I’m well versed in HIPAA. Showing heart rates are hardly the same as showing what medications you take or what your medical diagnoses have been in the past.
I’m split on this one, but ill say no. I actually love this idea for older kids and young athletes. You hear all the time about athletes and students at sports practice suddenly dying of an unknown heart problem. Maybe these monitors could be used to catch something before its to late, I’m not a heart surgeon, so maybe it wouldn’t matter, but its an idea anyway. As to kids wearing them in gym, I think it may cause some to over do it, whether they are trying to be as good as everyone else, or if the teacher is pushing to hard. Plus it could bring about bullying, if physically weaker kids had lower heart rates then the fitter students. So in concept i believe it a wonderful idea, but something more inclined for older students and athletes as more of a safety precaution, rather then a competitive motif.
As a person who is not overweight in any way, but at the same time is high on muscle mass, I have to give my vote to No, we shouldn’t be monitoring them and using that information to dictate their workout schedule.
As a person who took the minimum requirement PE courses in my area, and did so only because I had to, I may be biased, but please, hear me out.
There are many people growing up around the world now, as we become more technologically advanced who are no longer becoming as physically for as those of previous generations. Some people may think that we are just getting more lazy, but another reality is that we are developing the technology that can so some of our more physically exerting tasks more efficiently and/or better than us. There is simply no need for as many people to become physically fit, and on the contrary, we now need less people becoming physically fit, and make people focusing on learning how to program and control the machines/technology that we rely on in our everyday lives.
Additionally, in my country, Canada’s, lovely neighbour, the US, as you live in ‘kind of’ a democracy, you, and your children have more free will than many other countries residence. And as such, your children have the right to goose wether they want to be the dumb jocks who hang out with the dumb cheerleaders (generalizing), or if they want to be the ‘nerds’ who are the brains of your country and who really run it.
Again, this vote is cast against ‘strapping kids in at all times’! :)
I feel like this has an inherent bias towards the kids who excel at gym and those who genuinely don’t have the skills to perform on the same level. For example, if a kid doesn’t know how to play basketball, then they probably wouldn’t be as actively involved as someone who is more adept, possibly because they don’t know what to do.
Monitoring heart rate would probably be more useful in team sports when all participants have similar skills, such as a track team or a basketball team but not in a generic gym class.
I think you’re missing the point. This isn’t about competition, it’s not even about benefiting one type of kid over another, it’s to gauge that they’re working out at an appropriate level. Let me explain…
A ‘work out’ is a vague term and people make it out to mean a number of different things. Some people call Yoga working out. Others call Weight Lifting working out. Some call Running working out. Yeah, they’re all types of workout, but only the third one will actually help you lose weight.
Why?
Because you need to elevate your heart rate to above 60% of your maximum heart rate in order to burn fat. Yoga doesn’t do that. Nor does lifting weights. Cardio does that: running, cycling, jogging, swimming, burpees, aerobics, spinning, fooball (soccer)—anything that elevates your heart rate above that 60% and keeps it there for 20 minutes a day, minimum, is good cardio.
So why give kids heart rate monitors? Just to make sure they’re working out at the appropriate heart rate for a minimum of 20 minutes. That’s it. There’s no invasiveness, there’s no collecting evidence, no nothing like that. Monitoring the kids heart rates allows the PE teacher to know that they’re each doing the minimum needed to stay healthy. And the best thing is, it’s no competition because everyone’s 60% HR is different depending on their age. And the amount of calories they burn depends on height, weight, age, v02 max, and average heart rate during the workout.
Cardio helps you lose fat, improves your mood by releasing endorphins, lowers mental fatigue, gives you energy afterwards, reduces your risk of heart disease, blood pressure, diabetes and increases your lifespan. Best of all, if you start early like these kids, not only do you promote a healthier habit, but you also keep them healthier for much longer.
So yes, yes please give them heart rate monitors. I’ve used one for the past three years and that, along with exercising, and learning about nutrition, calories in dietery habits, helped me lose a lot of weight. I was 228 lbs, now I’m 140 lbs.
In a moment where obesity is an epidemic, what could be more necessary? If it’s a disease, how’s this any different than a flu shot or a thermometer?
Kids now are more tech savy at 6 than I was at 16 (I’m 26 lol). With the additions to smart watches and fit bands and their rapid advancements in technologies this isn’t a big leap soon all kids will have something that will have the ability to monitor heart rate and more…. at lease we can get some good out of it. Im not for tracking kids and all that but the health issue is real and we have to get them into the healthy active lifestyle early. Being a fitness nut I guess I do have my bias lol.