Skipped through to see the questions that were asked and ya know what, fuck them. What a waste. Starting out with guns and abortion? Give me a break! Omg, I can’t even form thoughts right now. Going to watch you guys talk about it though. But still, ugh!!!!!
Hey. Until we get money out of our government, I don’t think there can be a legitimate debate about anything. It feels like guns and abortion are popular issues that are trotted out every four years to take the spotlight away from important issues or as a red herring to distract from actions being taken behind closed doors in the middle of the night. Yes, the economy would have been a great way to start, but neither candidate wanted to freak out their donors. They were both invested in the best interest of whoever gave their campaign the most money and it was not the middle class. We need to start repairing damage done to the Earth, the people, our cities’ infrastructures, and education. I don’t know if it can even happen. At this point, if Don, doesn’t instigate a nuclear war or turn our military against us, I hope we evolve because of this last election. There were some really extraordinary things happening. Bernie Sander’s whole campaign was one of them. Cenk, also, maybe has a thing with his Wolf-Pac. There’s always hope until there isn’t any hope left.
What did you think of the debate?
Sorry, but I can’t bear to watch this coverage of a vomit-inducing “debate” that I had to turn off after 15 minutes. #SadUSA I am sure your coverage is excellent.
1. John continues his neo-MacCarthyism about how Putin is a “dictator”. Putin is democratically elected by the majority of votes (what does always happen in the USA, and it is by design), he has always had from high to very high ratings (what is admitted even by neocon/neolib think tanks in Washington). And between Obama and Putin, guess who respected the constitution, asking for parliaments approval of military action in Syria, and who did not and was dictatorial?
2. Clinton also pushes for the same neo-MacCarthyism, though much stronger, of course. There is literally zero evidence of Russian government has anything to do with the hacks. Hence the DHS/DNI report had to use “we believe”, “actions consistent” code words for “we do not know, but we really want to help Clinton’s campaign of fearmongering, xenophobia and bigotry” (ironically, Clinton camps critiques similar campaign of Trump against Muslims). Clinton also doubts even the very possibility to question government’s claims, as if the government did not told the public that Saddam had WMDs and was tied to 9/11.
3. The outrage about Russia supposedly interfering/hacking in the USA elections is outrageous itself. Time magazine has proudly ran the cover about how the USA have helped to rig elections in Russia in 1996 in favour of Yeltsin (then leader of Russia), whose rating was about 4%. USA’s NSA hacked into everything possible, and spies on the whole planet, including on thousands of Cisco network equipment units installed in Russia, as Snowden uncovered.
4. Hillary also went completely Orwellian on Syria, when she has claimed that the country will continue be an issue in terms of terrorism as long as Assad and Russia will continue to fight. The reality is that with the help of Russia Syria has freed about 700 settlements from both Daesh and other Wahhabi/Salafi head-choppers AKA “rebels”, including Al-Qaeda, that CIA, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey arm. Hundreds more cease-fire agreements were signed through Russian brokerage; the amnesty law works, and people have gave up on fights and joined peaceful life — this is how you fight against terrorism. (And, practically, no one in the world knows better how to fight terrorism than Russia since it had to deal with Al-Qaeda/Wahhabi/Salafi terrorist caliphate within its borders, and it successfully eradicated it.)
5. The moderator is also Orwellian. Russia and Syria are bombing Al-Qaeda in Aleppo, not just any random “rebels” (even according to Pentagon Al-Qaeda is the majority), Daesh (ISIS) also have their forces in Aleppo area, and other “moderate” groups such as al-Zinki are Al-Qaeda clones (they chop heads of children on camera).
6. The untold (never on CNN or on TYT, of course) part of the story about the boy in the rubble that Clinton has mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifS0fi9WB8, and about other boy that was never on the covers as CIA-armed jihadists chopped his head off. The MSM are StateDep tools, so they could never allow such cases to be become widely known.
7. 2008 Putin was favouring Obama as he was less hawkish comparing to MacCain. So, does that mean that Obama is/was Putin’s puppet? The fact that Cenk and John engage in this neo-MacCarthyism about Trump is repulsive.
Putin is obviously a dictator and even more then others. There are no democratic elections in Russia. Its all big fat circus. All the majority of votes is scheme and fake. Believe me, I’m russian, live in Moscow.
1. The word “dictator” has its definition. Changing it just for the sake of argument makes no sense. Putin does not fit the criteria at all;
2. There are democratic elections, but they are, of course, rigged to lesser or bigger degree (elections to parliament are worse) as everywhere. The fact is, however, that the majority of people do support Putin, so his ruling is democratic in literal sense;
3. There are Americans who say about the system in the USA same things and even worse. It does not add any validity to their arguments that Obama is tyrant/dictator. Thus where you are living is totally irrelevant.
Dude, you theoretically right but just believe me, there are no majority in Putin’s support.
1. All main mass-media completely controls by Putin.
2. All budget funding professions like doctors, teachers, police etc are FORCED to vote for him and his party.
3. Highest numbers he and his party scoring are in most marginal and outlaw states like Chechnya and Daghestan. For obvious reasons.
4. There are no opposing parties in the elections. They just can’t get through because of the new election laws and simple schemes on primaries stage.
Comparing Obama and Putin is just so ridiculous. USA election system is rigged too, but man, it is a system that works and have self-regulation mechanisms. In Russia we have nothing like this ) Its just a scheme from A to Z. There is no way to choose someone who think and do opposite from power party.
0. Putin’s popular support is indisputable even according to all of the sane Western professionals. Of course, we should differentiate them and StateDep propagandists such as Kasparov who can say whatever nonsense purely for PR purposes;
1. In Russia much less portion of the media are pro-establishment/pro-government than, say, in the USA where you can only name such outlets as Democracy Now!, The Intercept as opposition media (Fox News is just one of the wings of the corporate establishment oligarchy, not an opposition), and none of those are even remotely as visible proportionally as Russian opposition media in Russia;
2. Teachers, police and doctors are not forced to vote for Putin and his party (by the way, a good indication of that is how much less popular his party is than he himself both according to polls and election results);
3. Yes, some regions have vastly different structure socially than, say, Moscow, which is way more liberal, and yes, additional rigging can happen there;
4. There are opposing parties in the elections, and not just one as in the USA, for example. But yes, as I wrote, the election system in rigged both in Russia and in the USA as in neither country real opposition is allowed to have a chance. Comparing Obama (Clinton) and Putin is perfectly possible as by doing that you can see things that are common and different. For example, in Russia Putin is above the oligarchy, and in the USA Obama is below them. The system, however, is still unfair to the common people in either case, and income inequality in Russia is probably even worse than in the USA.
0. Whatever man. I just see this everyday. There cant be nothing indisputable when 70-80% of population just don’t have access to any independent information and only thing that they have been feeding with is – there are no one but Putin and we all surrounded by enemies. He just don’t let people know actual political or economic situation.
1. We don’t have any antiestablishment TV media at all. We have may be couple of opposite radio stations and may be one or two papers. But they are always under pressure of police and absolutely injustice courts. For example – about a week ego Igor Sechin (Putin’s friend and a RosNeft CEO) won a trial from New Gazete for about billion rubles. You can google it.
2. Where from do you know this? I mean. I know it for sure. I saw it myself. They are forced by threat of loosing jobs or for silly money (about 300-500rubles for vote, its about 3-5 dollars).
3. Well again – where do you get this info from? I mean yes, we have this “opposition parties”. But they all just puppets. They splitting sits in parliament just so they can get some from budget and that’s all of what they care of.
My main thought is that you can actually change the system but we don’t. We need to go full revolution again to take those fuckers off.
0. The popular support is indisputable. The lack of honest coverage of issues in the MSM is a separate issue.
1. This is incorrect. Echo Moskvy, Novaya Gazeta, Vedomosti, et cetera are against Russian policies both domestic and international, and there is nothing in the USA that could be comparable to that visibility. I googled for the trial against Novaya Gazeta, thanks. The decision does not seem fair, but it will be appealed.
2. Anecdotal evidence can not be used for generalization. So far I did not see researches that would confirm this as a practice. There are literally millions of teachers, doctors and police officers in Russia; if “forcing” would be regular practice it would be found out a long time ago.
3. Where I got “what”? As I wrote, the system is rigged in both USA and Russia, and real opposition does not have a chance. I am not even sure what you are arguing about. And the point is that, realistically, you can not change the system neither in the USA, nor in Russia. I often critique Cenk, but there is a lot to respect him for, and his Wolf-PAC project is one of such things. And yet I think he can be sometimes too idealistic about the prospects. The oligarchy will never really allow him to do what he wants, even through the convention. Nevertheless idealists are those who have a chance to change the system, so it is good that he is at least trying, even though actual chances for success are not any higher than change in Russia.
My grandfather was a political prisoner in a Siberian prison for 10 years. And, that said, I still do not believe in Russian election meddling theories. The two evil candidates are so fucked up they really don’t need any help from Russia.
I wouldnt get into an arguement with him Teclcly. dDDrss is the Russian equivalent of America’s Earnest Voice program. I don’t remember the exact name, but he’s paid to distribute blindfully loyal pro-Putin garbage in social media and news forums. He’s not a really a person, he just works here.
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Skipped through to see the questions that were asked and ya know what, fuck them. What a waste. Starting out with guns and abortion? Give me a break! Omg, I can’t even form thoughts right now. Going to watch you guys talk about it though. But still, ugh!!!!!
what issues do you want? Economy?
Hey. Until we get money out of our government, I don’t think there can be a legitimate debate about anything. It feels like guns and abortion are popular issues that are trotted out every four years to take the spotlight away from important issues or as a red herring to distract from actions being taken behind closed doors in the middle of the night. Yes, the economy would have been a great way to start, but neither candidate wanted to freak out their donors. They were both invested in the best interest of whoever gave their campaign the most money and it was not the middle class. We need to start repairing damage done to the Earth, the people, our cities’ infrastructures, and education. I don’t know if it can even happen. At this point, if Don, doesn’t instigate a nuclear war or turn our military against us, I hope we evolve because of this last election. There were some really extraordinary things happening. Bernie Sander’s whole campaign was one of them. Cenk, also, maybe has a thing with his Wolf-Pac. There’s always hope until there isn’t any hope left.
What did you think of the debate?
Sorry, but I can’t bear to watch this coverage of a vomit-inducing “debate” that I had to turn off after 15 minutes. #SadUSA I am sure your coverage is excellent.
Love the hosts, hate what they have to cover. These are two awful debaters debaing awful things in awful ways.
1. John continues his neo-MacCarthyism about how Putin is a “dictator”. Putin is democratically elected by the majority of votes (what does always happen in the USA, and it is by design), he has always had from high to very high ratings (what is admitted even by neocon/neolib think tanks in Washington). And between Obama and Putin, guess who respected the constitution, asking for parliaments approval of military action in Syria, and who did not and was dictatorial?
2. Clinton also pushes for the same neo-MacCarthyism, though much stronger, of course. There is literally zero evidence of Russian government has anything to do with the hacks. Hence the DHS/DNI report had to use “we believe”, “actions consistent” code words for “we do not know, but we really want to help Clinton’s campaign of fearmongering, xenophobia and bigotry” (ironically, Clinton camps critiques similar campaign of Trump against Muslims). Clinton also doubts even the very possibility to question government’s claims, as if the government did not told the public that Saddam had WMDs and was tied to 9/11.
3. The outrage about Russia supposedly interfering/hacking in the USA elections is outrageous itself. Time magazine has proudly ran the cover about how the USA have helped to rig elections in Russia in 1996 in favour of Yeltsin (then leader of Russia), whose rating was about 4%. USA’s NSA hacked into everything possible, and spies on the whole planet, including on thousands of Cisco network equipment units installed in Russia, as Snowden uncovered.
4. Hillary also went completely Orwellian on Syria, when she has claimed that the country will continue be an issue in terms of terrorism as long as Assad and Russia will continue to fight. The reality is that with the help of Russia Syria has freed about 700 settlements from both Daesh and other Wahhabi/Salafi head-choppers AKA “rebels”, including Al-Qaeda, that CIA, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey arm. Hundreds more cease-fire agreements were signed through Russian brokerage; the amnesty law works, and people have gave up on fights and joined peaceful life — this is how you fight against terrorism. (And, practically, no one in the world knows better how to fight terrorism than Russia since it had to deal with Al-Qaeda/Wahhabi/Salafi terrorist caliphate within its borders, and it successfully eradicated it.)
5. The moderator is also Orwellian. Russia and Syria are bombing Al-Qaeda in Aleppo, not just any random “rebels” (even according to Pentagon Al-Qaeda is the majority), Daesh (ISIS) also have their forces in Aleppo area, and other “moderate” groups such as al-Zinki are Al-Qaeda clones (they chop heads of children on camera).
6. The untold (never on CNN or on TYT, of course) part of the story about the boy in the rubble that Clinton has mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifS0fi9WB8, and about other boy that was never on the covers as CIA-armed jihadists chopped his head off. The MSM are StateDep tools, so they could never allow such cases to be become widely known.
7. 2008 Putin was favouring Obama as he was less hawkish comparing to MacCain. So, does that mean that Obama is/was Putin’s puppet? The fact that Cenk and John engage in this neo-MacCarthyism about Trump is repulsive.
Putin is obviously a dictator and even more then others. There are no democratic elections in Russia. Its all big fat circus. All the majority of votes is scheme and fake. Believe me, I’m russian, live in Moscow.
1. The word “dictator” has its definition. Changing it just for the sake of argument makes no sense. Putin does not fit the criteria at all;
2. There are democratic elections, but they are, of course, rigged to lesser or bigger degree (elections to parliament are worse) as everywhere. The fact is, however, that the majority of people do support Putin, so his ruling is democratic in literal sense;
3. There are Americans who say about the system in the USA same things and even worse. It does not add any validity to their arguments that Obama is tyrant/dictator. Thus where you are living is totally irrelevant.
Dude, you theoretically right but just believe me, there are no majority in Putin’s support.
1. All main mass-media completely controls by Putin.
2. All budget funding professions like doctors, teachers, police etc are FORCED to vote for him and his party.
3. Highest numbers he and his party scoring are in most marginal and outlaw states like Chechnya and Daghestan. For obvious reasons.
4. There are no opposing parties in the elections. They just can’t get through because of the new election laws and simple schemes on primaries stage.
Comparing Obama and Putin is just so ridiculous. USA election system is rigged too, but man, it is a system that works and have self-regulation mechanisms. In Russia we have nothing like this ) Its just a scheme from A to Z. There is no way to choose someone who think and do opposite from power party.
0. Putin’s popular support is indisputable even according to all of the sane Western professionals. Of course, we should differentiate them and StateDep propagandists such as Kasparov who can say whatever nonsense purely for PR purposes;
1. In Russia much less portion of the media are pro-establishment/pro-government than, say, in the USA where you can only name such outlets as Democracy Now!, The Intercept as opposition media (Fox News is just one of the wings of the corporate establishment oligarchy, not an opposition), and none of those are even remotely as visible proportionally as Russian opposition media in Russia;
2. Teachers, police and doctors are not forced to vote for Putin and his party (by the way, a good indication of that is how much less popular his party is than he himself both according to polls and election results);
3. Yes, some regions have vastly different structure socially than, say, Moscow, which is way more liberal, and yes, additional rigging can happen there;
4. There are opposing parties in the elections, and not just one as in the USA, for example. But yes, as I wrote, the election system in rigged both in Russia and in the USA as in neither country real opposition is allowed to have a chance. Comparing Obama (Clinton) and Putin is perfectly possible as by doing that you can see things that are common and different. For example, in Russia Putin is above the oligarchy, and in the USA Obama is below them. The system, however, is still unfair to the common people in either case, and income inequality in Russia is probably even worse than in the USA.
0. Whatever man. I just see this everyday. There cant be nothing indisputable when 70-80% of population just don’t have access to any independent information and only thing that they have been feeding with is – there are no one but Putin and we all surrounded by enemies. He just don’t let people know actual political or economic situation.
1. We don’t have any antiestablishment TV media at all. We have may be couple of opposite radio stations and may be one or two papers. But they are always under pressure of police and absolutely injustice courts. For example – about a week ego Igor Sechin (Putin’s friend and a RosNeft CEO) won a trial from New Gazete for about billion rubles. You can google it.
2. Where from do you know this? I mean. I know it for sure. I saw it myself. They are forced by threat of loosing jobs or for silly money (about 300-500rubles for vote, its about 3-5 dollars).
3. Well again – where do you get this info from? I mean yes, we have this “opposition parties”. But they all just puppets. They splitting sits in parliament just so they can get some from budget and that’s all of what they care of.
My main thought is that you can actually change the system but we don’t. We need to go full revolution again to take those fuckers off.
0. The popular support is indisputable. The lack of honest coverage of issues in the MSM is a separate issue.
1. This is incorrect. Echo Moskvy, Novaya Gazeta, Vedomosti, et cetera are against Russian policies both domestic and international, and there is nothing in the USA that could be comparable to that visibility. I googled for the trial against Novaya Gazeta, thanks. The decision does not seem fair, but it will be appealed.
2. Anecdotal evidence can not be used for generalization. So far I did not see researches that would confirm this as a practice. There are literally millions of teachers, doctors and police officers in Russia; if “forcing” would be regular practice it would be found out a long time ago.
3. Where I got “what”? As I wrote, the system is rigged in both USA and Russia, and real opposition does not have a chance. I am not even sure what you are arguing about. And the point is that, realistically, you can not change the system neither in the USA, nor in Russia. I often critique Cenk, but there is a lot to respect him for, and his Wolf-PAC project is one of such things. And yet I think he can be sometimes too idealistic about the prospects. The oligarchy will never really allow him to do what he wants, even through the convention. Nevertheless idealists are those who have a chance to change the system, so it is good that he is at least trying, even though actual chances for success are not any higher than change in Russia.
My grandfather was a political prisoner in a Siberian prison for 10 years. And, that said, I still do not believe in Russian election meddling theories. The two evil candidates are so fucked up they really don’t need any help from Russia.
I wouldnt get into an arguement with him Teclcly. dDDrss is the Russian equivalent of America’s Earnest Voice program. I don’t remember the exact name, but he’s paid to distribute blindfully loyal pro-Putin garbage in social media and news forums. He’s not a really a person, he just works here.